bofh at stremler.net
Tue May 11 13:13:08 PDT 2004
begin quoting Andrew P. Lentvorski, Jr. as of Tue, May 11, 2004 at 11:52:30AM -0700:
> On Tue, 11 May 2004, Stewart Stremler wrote:
> > Using a better sh than bash on a linux system would be a good first
> > step, I suppose.
> I agree, and we already have it. It's called Perl. (or Python, Tcl, etc.)
Erm, those aren't sh compatible. :)
> sh should be used by the few system scripts which need to exist.
> The other "scripting" languages (bash, csh, ksh, zsh, etc.) should die.
I don't think I quite agree. I might end up in a world where the only
scripting language that's deemed to be worthy is, say, Python, and then
I'd just have to go postal.
> I have finally managed to stop reaching for a quick sh/bash scripts for
> small UNIX tasks. I now reach for Python, by default.
Sorry, that's just my personal reaction. :)
If it works for you, wonderful!
> This has been the *best* computer productivity enhancement that I have
> made in 10+ years (other than turning the computer off, of course).
A clipboard full of scratch paper and a nice pen is a necessary tool for me.
> Yes, sometimes it takes an extra line or two in the script. However,
> sometimes I wipe out huge numbers of lines because I can reach for the
> proper higher level data structure (list, dict, tree, whatever) rather
> than do extreme gymnastics to crunch everything I need into a single
Avoiding extreme gymnastics is good.
Mostly that is a result of being able to characterize the problem
so as to handle it appropriately. (Did you read the rootprompt
article on image processing with Erlang? Quite impressive.)
> > -Stewart "No M$OSes in my house; next, no bash shells" Stremler
> Welcome to BSD, then. ;}
I've tried *BSD almost as many times as I've tried Emacs, and I just
don't seem to find it as comfortable to use as I expect. At the
moment, I'm using OSX, which is probably the most comfortable I've
ever been on a BSD(-derived) box.
[But I'm pretty much acting as a plain old user, as to my point of
view, they've devastated the administration portion of the operating
-Stewart "Any BSD is still better than anything from Redmond" Stremler
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