Protocols (Was: HTTP)

[John H. Robinson, IV]

Nick Bastin wrote:
> At 10:01 AM 12/11/2002 -0800, you wrote:
> >Nick Bastin wrote:
> >
> >> Basically, a box can only maintain a certain number of active
> >> connections given it's stack implementation, and in the case of mostly
> >> idle connections, having them on the waitqueue limits the number of
> >> new connections you can handle, even if they're not doing anything.
> >
> >do what every other protocol in the world does: timeout after X seconds.
> 
> ARRGGGG!  You say that the protocol should timeout, yet you say that HTTP 
> closing the connection is a bad thing????  HTTP is just accelerating the 
> obvious in this scenario - the connections will always timeout, so why not 
> just close them and be a good citizen?

even open an ssh connection?
how about an ftp session?
'nuff said.

> And I submit that we're talking about protocols, and not application 
> implementations, and that you are blaming the protocol for the sins of its' 
> users.

not the users, the application developers that abuse http. i do not
blame http. i blame the application developers.

> No, it isn't.  It may reimplement a tiny component of what TCP gives you, 
> but TCP isn't giving it to you for free.  The price of using the trust you 
> get from TCP is that you have to leave the connection open, and that is 
> expensive.

and the mysql database is cheaper? hmm.

> >``we are giving away a free, full featured Operating System!''  ``no
> >thanks, i'd rather pay for this mediocre one''   well, at least we know
> >there is precedent for this viewpoint.  *shwug*
> 
> No, it's more like:
> 
> "We're giving away a free, full featured Operating System."  "No thanks, 
> I'd rather pay for a RtOS that's optimized for my purpose and not as heavy 
> as your full-featured Operating System".

you forgot to add:
i want to pay for that RtOS that's optimised, but has left out some very
important key components. i will happily re-implement those components
that i see that your Full Featured OS has, but i know RtOS, so i willpay
for that.

grr.

-john